Apart from that, RTC demands the destruction of any secret and confidential material that Zenon has in his possession, has published or has distributed.
11:30 - Lunch break
13:15 - Court resumes.
ZENON STATES HIS OBJECTIONS to the need to pay damages. One of his grounds is freedom of speech and freedom of religion, based on the European convention on human rights. Scientology is a cult that has been criminally convicted in many Western countries, he explains; only next month a penal case in Madrid will start in which Heber Jentzsch, the president of Scientology, is one of the defendants.
In order to explain and assess what Scientology stands for, it is necessary to have access to their material. Besides, this is a consumer's right worthy to defend: you need to be able to understand what you get into and what you pay for before you join any group.
The Chair warns Zenon that he is diverting from the subject of damages.
Zenon explains that there is a strong need for an open debate about Scientology and its beliefs, and that this is sufficient reason to publish their texts. Thus, damages should be waived under the provisions of the convention.
Part of Scientology's claims should be rejected because Zenon is not responsible for them. They hold him accountable for infringements that he has not at all perpetrated, as for instance copies of OTs and NOTs made by the courts, not by him. Part of the damage caused, as for instance loss of revenue, is due to the bad quality of Hubbard's writing and not to Zenon's actions as such. Furthermore, an author's right to compensation for immaterial damage, i.e. his hurt feelings, is personal to him and does not follow the copyrights. As for the legal fees that RTC demands (8 million SEK) and what the primary court ruled that Zenon had to pay (1,2 million SEK), there are important issues to be taken into account, that is, to be subtracted from the bill. He will go into those later.
Regarding the injunction and the destruction order that RTC wishes to impose upon him: not only does he dispute them, he also thinks they should be specified to particular objects and to particular texts, and be limited to apply only within Sweden. As things are now, the injunction is far too wide and neither limited in scope nor in time.
Destruction orders must always be fully specified. Besides, Swedish rulings can be enforced in the Netherlands. As things stand now, making a copy of the scriptures for personal use is infringement in Sweden but not in the Netherlands, where the courts have explicitly ruled that the scriptures are published material. If the Swedish ruling is not limited to apply within Sweden only, the Swedish court would be imposing its ruling on another country against the rulings of the courts of that country. In a country where a ruling is only enforced, it cannot be appealed.
A MORE DETAILED discussion of the legal fees as presented to the primary court is conducted.
Magnusson right now drops two items from the bill: Bill Hart's legal fees and his travelling costs for the primary case: 1,351,350 SEK, and 211,642 SEK respectively. RTC's bill for legal fees has just been reduced from 8 million SEK to 6,5 million SEK.
Zenon disputes various items on Magusson's bill:
In short, RTC and Magnusson have deliberately increased their costs and are now pushing that bill unto Zenon. Equality of arms (viz. the European Convention of Human Rights) is surely applicable in this aspect. In the absence of a reasonable bill, RTC's legal costs must be reasonably assessed and be brought down proportionally according to what RTC has lost.
MAGNUSSON'S REPLY. It is obvious that Panoussis has done everything he could to increase RTC's costs. On alt.religion.scientology, Zenon has in various postings claimed that RTC, by imposing such a enormous sum upon him, has in fact granted him immunity from future claims. And he is actually challenging RTC in that posting - as he has done in other postings - to sue him, while alternatively threatening to post more of RTC's material.
Zenon's claim that equality of arms should be taken into account is ridiculous. Actually, it amounts to discrimination: it means that the strongest party can't spend more than the weaker party can afford.
Zenon replies that Magnusson's last remark about strong and weak parties is of course nonsense. The strong party can spend whatever it wants; the only question at stake is whether it can demand that the weaker party will afterwards bear all these costs. He will save his other arguments for his plea.
14:30 - Break.
MAGNUSSON IS GOING TO deposit McShane again. Zenon informs the court that he would like to pose additional questions as well, and explains on what subject: contrary to what he stated, there appears to be a part of NOTs that people do study. Apart from that, it would appear from Scientology's own publications that there are much more than just 325 Scientology members who have studied the NOTs, as McShane claimed: some 120 more at least. Does this evidence come from Scientology itself, the Chair asks? Yes, Zenon explains, it comes from Scientology's own publications: Source Magazine and International Scientology News, and copies of those magazines arrive tomorrow. Zenon will provide Magnusson with copies immediately.
Magnusson claims that this is not at all relevant, and besides, why are we getting this at the latest moment imaginable?
Short discussion between Chair and Zenon. Zenon explains that NOTs are courses with 'fixed donations' as well. The Chair wants to know since when. It has always been like this, says Zenon.
15:05 - Deposition of McShane
WE KNOW THAT THIS new deposition has been put in to repair some of the damage done previously, where McShane was forced to admit how many people have read OT2 and OT3, and his admittance that people pay for those courses. (Any commercial exploitation of a text is in itself sufficient to constitute publication, and thus, under European law, gives every citizen the right to possess copies for private use and allows everybody to quote from it.)
Magnusson: How many copies has RTC itself produced of OT2, OT3 and NOTs?
McShane: Of OT2, RTC has produced about twenty packs for each of the Advanced Churches. That is approximately a hundred copies in total. For OT3 the numbers are a little bit higher, about thirty copies for each Advanced Church. In case of the NOTs it is different, each of the Advanced Churches only has four copies, except for the Advanced Church in Florida that actually is the church that trains the NOTs ministers. They have about seventy copies.
Magnusson: That means that all in all there are about a hundred copies of OT2, hundred and fifty of OT3, and seventy or eighty of the NOTs?
McShane: Of the NOTs, that would be about eighty-six copies. Each of them is part of the inventory, is numbered and is plugged into the computer.
McShane: Yes, about [xx] years ago we translated the OTs and NOTs into the four main languages: German, Spanish, French, Italian.
Magnusson: Are these translations part of the total amount of copies?
McShane: Yes, those numbers include the translations.
Magnusson: [assessing the degree of infringement as perpetrated by Zenon Panoussis]
McShane: I went through how much he infringed and [gets folder, opens it]
Magnusson: [can you give us the details?]
McShane: I compared the original work to the
infringing copy. I did a word count and determined
how many words he took from the originals. For
instance, from OT2 he infringed upon 10 individual
works and 4 of those works are infringed upon
100%, one is infringed upon for 94%, one for 84%,
one for 75%, one for 62%, one for 20%, and the
last one for 7%.
Magnusson: .. summarise .. sentences .. text ..
McShane: I don't follow the question.
Magnusson: [Are there other texts among the infringements?]
McShane: No, there are not.
Magnusson: The notary public, Alexandersson said that the distribution list of NOTs 54 mentions "solo NOTs". Can you explain?
McShane: I testified that there was no Solo OT5. There is a course called Solo NOTs, but the member or parishioner who does that course does not study the NOTs himself, and although it says "NOTs Pack" on the cover, there is no NOTs issue or NOTs course on OT6.
Magnusson: [can you explain a bit more about the OT-levels]
McShane: Each of the OT-levels were based on research that Mr. Hubbard did into the spiritual nature of man, in order to discover the means, the ways of improving man's spiritual nature, all leading to the ultimate goal of immortality. Each of the OT-levels are an expression of Mr. Hubbard's writings, of what he discovered. And I know that it is hard to understand what those writings mean without prior knowledge, but after my twenty-seven years of being in the church, I'm very familiar with Mr. Hubbard's writings and also from testifying in court cases, that each of those individual works is an expression of what he discovered on those particular subjects. I know that it is difficult for the courts to review this material, because we are dealing with religious scriptures, but the courses and the material contained within those courses impart to the individual that reads them the revelations that Mr. Hubbard discovered; and when you apply that material to yourself, you discover those revelations.
Magnusson: [Panoussis being wrong about whether any payment is expected for studying the NOTs]
McShane: Yes, Zenon Panoussis has it totally wrong. OT5 and the NOTs are only available to Scientology ministers and they do not pay for this course. These are employees of the church and it is their training. They do not pay for it.
Magnusson: [about the additional ministers who studied the NOTs Pack, over and above the 325 ministers that McShane testified have read them]
McShane: My testimony was about the state of affairs at the beginning of the trial at hand. I did not calculate any new ministers, but obviously there have been additional people trained under the same circumstances.
Magnusson: [how many additional people have studied the NOTs?]
McShane: Maybe between 50 and 100 additional members. Again, these are church members, they are staff, and they do not pay for this course.
15:27 - Zenon's turn.
Zenon: The percentages that you mention you have calculated pertain to Exhibit 37? [That exhibit is what Zenon filed and what became public: it contains the OTs from the Fishman Affidavit and the NOTs.]
Zenon: Are these percentages based on calculations per word, or on the amount of words?
McShane: I took your infringing copy and highlighted all the words and then counted all the words that were the same.
Zenon: Did you count any instances of words in the wrong order as an infringement?
McShane: I found no instances of that.
Zenon: Do your calculations pertain to individual works or the whole collection?
McShane: To individual works.
Zenon: With respect to the NOTs, you stated that sixty works were infringed upon. Are these sixty works all parts of the NOTs pack?
[Some discussion ensues as to what is the NOTs pack.]
Zenon: The sixty works that were infringed upon, are they all part of the binder that you showed here last Friday?
Zenon: What OT-level have you yourself attained?
Zenon: That means that you only have personal knowledge about everything up to and including OT6, but not of anything higher?
Zenon: With respect to the ministers who study the NOTs: you say that they don't pay for this course. But do they have to donate?
Zenon: What is the official title of these ministers, their 'hat'?
Zenon: Ehm, I mean what class of auditors?
McShane: Class IX.
[Z gets up and borrows a Scientology glossy from the court that has been filed as evidence; it contains a price list]
Zenon: Can you explain what it says here? "Class IX auditing rates - 9250 USD for 12,5 hours".
McShane: That is what auditing with them costs.
Zenon: Is this what the auditors pay, or the auditees?
McShane: The auditees. The price refers to auditing rates for 12,5 hours. So if your a parishioner and you want to do NOTs, that would be the donation rate for 12,5 hours of auditing in Flag Clearwater, which is our Advanced Church in Florida.
Zenon: Let me rephrase. The people who actually get to see and study the NOTs: are they expected to pay any fixed donations?
Zenon: In the magazines that are now on their way, Source Magazine issue 132 from 2000, and International Scientology News issue 9, 1999, it is claimed that 57 and 60 new Class IX Auditors respectively are about to get their grades. Is it probable that this many people have participated in NOTs since the previous trial?
McShane: That is possible.
15:40 - McShane's deposition is done.
Some discussion about the magazines that are on their way ensues. On behalf of RTC, Magnusson admits that about 100 people have read the NOTs after 1998. As a result, the magazines do not need to be filed as evidence.
Both parties' written evidence is then mentioned and noted - a procedural necessity, brought about by the Swedish legal system that demands that all arguments, grounds and evidence have to be presented verbally.
We are ready at 16:30, and pack our stuff. This time we need to take the extra binders with us with us that Magnusson brought in at the first day. Zenon had just left them in the court room so far; there was no point in dragging them along. Besides, we couldn't carry them with us even if we wanted; but fortunately, this time one of our supporters has shown up and he will carry them for us. We take one of the cartons that Magnusson brought them in and pack.
Only later we look at the box more closely. On the side, it says:
Legal Source, Inc
... based in California. "Total litigation support"? Duh. Do they deliver jails, too?
Outside the court we have a much-needed smoke. The UK guy who approached us yesterday is there waiting for us: yes, he went to visit the local Scientology Org to get a second opinion and to fish for information about his grandson. To his great surprise, just before he entered, he saw the guy we had observed at the pub yesterday exit the Org...
We have a drink with our supporter. He gets to carry the extra carton. In the pub, we notice a woman who is slightly out of place. She has seated herself in such a way that she has an excellent view of us and she 'appears' to be reading a newspaper. Since we are tired of being followed, we devise a trick to figure out what is going on. Zenon will leave, and we will observe her.
Within thirty seconds of Zenon having exited the pub, the woman folds her paper and leaves. Our supporter phones Zenon on his mobile: "She's getting out of the door now." Our supporter and I continue talking, meanwhile scrutinising the street. After six or eight minutes, we see the same woman in the presence of a man passing the cafe, Zenon just behind them. He points at them and mimics at us. Our supporter gets up and joins Zenon.
After a few minutes, Z and our supporter get back into the café. "The street is swarming with Scientologists," Zenon exclaims. "I noticed at least five," and he explains what happened. When he went out, he saw a guy who was loitering and then slowly moved in the direction that Zenon was taking, so then Zenon turned around a corner and stopped; he saw the guy looking at him, pretending that he didn't, and then he exchanged glances with another woman and wandered off, obviously having lost his purpose. This second woman appeared lost when Zenon simply turned and walked back to where he came from. Two guys were sitting in a parked car. On his way back to the café, Zenon saw the woman from the café coming towards him. The moment she noticed him, she turned around and walked back again, walked past the café and stopped at the next shop window. Behind her was a man, obviously unrelated to her, but he stopped at the shop window too and started talking with the woman. Sure enough, Zenon was yet further behind, so the man hadn't seen him.
Zenon continued past the café and reaches the two, overhearing part of the woman's exited explanations to the man. Zenon stopped next to them at the same shop window, whereby the man and the woman immediately departed in the direction they had just came from.
At this point Zenon followed them past the café and stopped them. "Can we stop these stupid little games NOW?" Zenon demande. "I don't know what you are talking about," the woman mumbled. (The natural answer would of course have been: "Games? What the fuck are you talking about? Who are you?") Zenon scolded them severely and returned to the café.
When later all three of us get into a taxi, we are followed by a white Volvo. When we stop to let off our supporter, the white Volvo stops behind a parked bus. Our supporter takes them for a ride from there, while we, just in case, make sure that they have to spend a few hours in the Swedish cold if they manage to follow us.
Unbiased columnism is a series of court reports on the proceedings of Scientology versus Zenon Panoussis. This series covers the Jan 2001 sessions:
This series was preceeded by the May 1998 hearings in Zenon's case.
Copyright Karin Spaink.