From ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!iwb.mw.tu-muenchen.de! informatik.tu-muenchen.de!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net! ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!noring Sat Jun 17 20:43:12 1995 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.law-enforcement, comp.org.eff.talk,alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.net-abuse, alt.privacy.anon-server,misc.legal.computing,misc.legal, news.admin.misc Path: ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!iwb.mw.tu-muenchen.de! informatik.tu-muenchen.de!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net! ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!noring From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Speculations on -AB-, and the Raid on Anon.penet.fi (LONG) Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:16:34 GMT Lines: 453 Sender: noring@netcom13.netcom.com Xref: ipp-garching.mpg.de alt.religion.scientology:70667 alt.law-enforcement:20089 comp.org.eff.talk:41943 alt.conspiracy:75710 alt.current-events.net-abuse:20339 alt.privacy.anon-server:2862 misc.legal.computing:8463 misc.legal:62783 news.admin.misc:39090 Here's some thoughts and information on the Tom Klemesrud/-AB-/Anon.penet.fi Raid affair that need to be looked at again: *************************************************************************** This whole affair (the -AB- posts, included below, and the raid on anon.penet.fi), is *very* suspicious. I would hope CoS would supply the necessary facts to clear up any suspicion so we can bury this issue. Here are some facts on the matter: 1) The LAPD officially was not involved in the request to Interpol. Now it is possible that another PD (Glendale?) was involved, but all indications so far point to LAPD. If CoS informs us which PD made the formal request, and we can get verification, that would go a long way towards clearing up the suspicions. 2) Once the Finnish police obtained the identity of -AB- from Julf at anon.penet.fi, officers at the Church of Scientology received the information in less than one hour! According to an FBI agent, this is highly irregular, and should not have happened. Instead, this information would be sent back to the requesting law-enforcement agency who would then decide on how to dispense with the information, and it would not be that fast! Since we don't know the originating law- enforcement agency, nor the case number (was one assigned?), just adds fuel to the fire of suspicion. It is in CoS' interest to clear this matter up. Does anybody on alt.law-enforcement have any further insights on this? 3) After CoS obtained the ID of -AB- (by the way, Julf verified in private e-mail with Tom Klemesrud that the identity of -AB- was what CoS wanted but refused to give him any particulars), this whole matter mysteriously disappeared -- no arrest, no trial, no publicity, etc., etc. Maybe they felt it to be an internal matter. But why get the police involved in the first place, and was there a case number assigned? Which police department if not LAPD? 4) The identity of -AB- him/herself is still a mystery. Julf refuses to reveal the real e-mail identity of -AB- (I urge him to make an exception here, and urge all the remailer operators to request he release this information as well -- revealing the ID here will not harm in any way his integrity in running anon.penet.fi), but we do know some things based on a slip-up by -AB- during private e-mail exchanges. The site name was an .edu site located in California (it was not at Berkeley). -- it had the name 'alumni' in it. The user name was only two letters long. If any of you can give me a list of .edu sites in California with 'alumni' in the name, the person might be able to recall the exact site name. I'm not sure we can do much after that, but it doesn't hurt to get the info. At my suggestion, Julf is recontacting Finnish police to inform them of the irregularities of the Interpol request. If they develop an interest in this matter, hopefully we'll see some inquiries by them to Interpol and the California police department involved in this request (I'm sure they must know which PD it was). Hopefully we can clear this matter up. CoS can also help clear suspicion by providing the relevant information (police department, case number, etc.) so we can quickly check it out and clear CoS of any suggestion of impropriety. It is in CoS' interest to give us the information. Helena, where are you? Jon Noring Now, here's some posts from -AB- that should be of interest. Notice that Eugene Ingram's name appears in one of the posts. =============================================================================== Xref: netcom.com alt.religion.scientology:29571 Message-ID: <221442Z23011995@anon.penet.fi> Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi! news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: an144108@anon.penet.fi (-AB-) X-Anonymously-To: alt.religion.scientology Organization: Anonymous contact service Reply-To: an144108@anon.penet.fi Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:07:53 UTC Subject: Set-up of sysop - data Lines: 131 Dear Readers, This is a serious matter and I do not make the below post lightly. I have the name and phone number of the victim in the matter with Tom Klemesrud. I will not post these, as I feel that would be violation of her privacy before the matter has come out properly on police channels. But due to the relevance and implications to this newsgroup I am posting the below, and without ANY of my own comments. However, just to show I am not faking, I will e-mail the specific name and phone number privately to Vega, who has proven him/herself to be one of the most trustworthy and fair members of this newsgroup. Rod, I am going to need more time on the FAQ answers -- I've been a little busy recently! Below are the victim's statements: > LINDA W. interview : > > She first met Klemesrud at the Cinnamon Cinder on Saturday, > the night of the incident. She took a taxi there as she doesn't > drive. She was wearing levis and a bulky sweater. > > When she arrived at the bar, Klemesrud was already there. He > struck up a conversation with her. They started talking and were > like "psychic friends." She was drinking vodka and he was drinking > heavily as well. > > He said let's go to the lounge where my friends are. The > bar was a country & western bar. She had a puppy puppet which she > left at the bar. > > After spending about 3 1/4 hours at the bar they got into a > taxi (the bartender, Jack, called a cab). > > They went to another bar in the corner strip mall, a clean > and classy bar. > > Klemesrud seemed to know the bartender there really well, he > was about 50. > > When Klemesrud was ready to go, he said "Let's go, ride with > me in a taxi to my place so I get home okay." The bartender asked > her to help him get home (she was planning to take the same taxi > home). > > The taxi driver arrived. Klemesrud got into a verbal fight > with the driver. > > When they arrived at Klemesrud's home, he asked her to come > up to make sure he got in okay. It was a nice place. > > They went up to his apartment. > > There were a lot of computers there. He said, "look at this, > this is the Internet." > > She has a guitar and Klemesrud had a guitar at home. He > asked if she played the guitar. > > She'd had a rectal bleeding problem bad for about a year, but > had never seen a doctor for this. She hemmoraged when she was > under stress and drank a lot. She had to go to the bathroom every > 10 minutes when she drank beer, a lot of alcohol. > > When they got inside, she was bleeding badly. She told him > about her problem. Her pants were soaked. She went into the > bathroom and took her pants and panties off, they were soaked, and > put a towel around her. She was walking around. > > Klemesrud talked about the Internet and said he worked with > kids on the Internet. He asked her if she believed he worked with > kids. She was fond of kids and thought he must be okay. > > Klemesrud said, "I want to show you something." He got a 10 > gauge shotgun. He had already seen the blood at this point. > > Klemesrud starts saying, "I know you're from the CIA." She > said, "I'm from the CIA???" > > Klemesrud said, "You cannot go to the bathroom, you're from > the CIA. You'll cut your wrists, I know it." > > Klemesrud told her that if she didn't fuck him, she would > never leave the place alive. > > She said that Klemesrud scared the hell out of her and held a > gun to her head. He said, "I can kill you right now but maybe I > won't bother - I can kill myself." > > She said she was so scared she couldn't see straight, she was > terrified. She talked him down a lot [[calmed?]]. > > Klemesrud said, "I know the Church of Scientology and I know > they send people out." She didn't know what he was talking about. > She had heard of the C of S but had never been in such a Church. > > Klemesrud said, "Look at this, I can do anything that I want. > I can call the Church and say you're from the CIA. Do you think I > should kill you? Watch this, maybe I'll kill myself." > > He threatened to hit her and did shoved her around. He wouldn't > let her go to the bathroom unless he watched her. > > Klemesrud kept calling the C of S on the phone and saying, "I > have someone here who is "in condition" [[sic]] and I don't want anymore > of these people coming here." He repeatedly did this. She > thought he was nuts. > > She got to the phone and dialed 911. Klemesrud hung up and > she called 911 again. This time she got through and told the 911 > operator, "I've got a guy here has a shotgun. You'd better send > someone over here. He may kill himself." > > When the police came, they said she could put her pants on, > although they were full of blood. > > Klemesrud told the officers, "I cut myself." She said no way, > he was lying. > > When asked how the blood got all over the apartment, she said > that he pushed her all around the place. He never tried to rape > her. =============================================================================== Xref: netcom.com alt.religion.scientology:30435 Message-ID: <203621Z27011995@anon.penet.fi> Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi! anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: an42111@anon.penet.fi (AKI) X-Anonymously-To: alt.religion.scientology Organization: Anonymous contact service Reply-To: an42111@anon.penet.fi Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:56 UTC Subject: Set-up of sysop - data Lines: 84 Helena Kobrin FAXed the Los Angeles Times with the (-AB-) version of the blood attack on the internet site Support.COM. The times asked Kobrin how she was able to find the woman. Kobrin responded, "We just found her." Later she would admit that it was a "private investigator" that found her. Anon (-AB-), the original poster of the outrageous, and factually inacurate account of the incident, reported that he "scooped" OSA (the Kobrin people I assume), and now OSA is trying to get his information. (-AB-) says he is not OSA, but claims he is a good investigator. Eugene Martin Ingram, a Private Investigator - who has bragged that he makes a half-million dollars per year from cult has a partner, Al Bei. [Citation] Los Angeles Times (LT) - FRIDAY June 29, 1990 By: JOEL SAPPELL; ROBERT W. WELKOS; TIMES STAFF WRITERS Edition: Home Edition Page: 1 Pt. A Col. 1 Story Type: Main Story; Series Word Count: 5,414 MEMO: Series: THE SCIENTOLOGY STORY. Today: Attack the Attacker. Last in a six-part series TEXT: "Never treat a war like a skirmish. Treat all skirmishes like wars." - L. Ron Hubbard [snip] More recently, Scientology investigations have been run by former Los Angeles Police Department sergeant Eugene Ingram, who was fired by the department in 1981 for allegedly running a house of prostitution and alerting a drug dealer of a planned raid. (In a later jury trial, Ingram was acquitted of all criminal charges.) When he needs help, Ingram has sometimes turned to former LAPD colleagues. Ex-officer Al Bei, for example, played a key role in a 1984 ^^^^^^ (-AB-)? investigation of David Mayo, an influential Scientology defector who had opened a rival church near Santa Barbara. Scientologists believed Mayo was using stolen Hubbard teachings. Bei and other investigators questioned local businessmen, handing out business cards that said, "Special Agent, Task Force on White Collar Crime." Their questions suggested - falsely - that Mayo was linked to international terrorism and drug smuggling, according to court records. At a local bank, Bei tried without success to obtain Mayo's banking records and implied that Mayo was engaged in money laundering, an executive of the bank said. The investigators rented an office directly above Mayo's facility and leaned from the windows to photograph everyone who entered. Mayo eventually obtained a court order barring Ingram Investigations and church members from going near Mayo or his facility. The judge said the investigation amounted to "harassment." On another occasion, Bei surfaced on a quiet residential street in Burbank, where he questioned neighbors of two highly critical former Scientologists, Fred and Valerie Stansfield. The Stansfields had established a competing center in their home to provide Scientology courses ... [End Citation] Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: an144108@anon.penet.fi (-AB-) Organization: Anonymous contact service Reply-To: an144108@anon.penet.fi Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 06:25:20 UTC Subject: Re: set-up of sysop - data >Your libelous story is pure fiction. Don't you think 911 >calls are recorded? I made the call to 911. I find this >a pathetic attempt at character assasination. > > Tom Klemesrud, Sysop "Pure fiction"? There is a lot of factual and verifiable data in Linda's statement. Some not, but a lot that is. So far, I find it more specific and more creditable than what you and Dennis have said thus far. This newsgroup TALKS a lot about looking at facts, research, etc. So I took this report from you and Dennis and checked it out as far as I could. I called in a very big favor owed me and got the name and phone ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ number. I then sent out a trusted friend (aspiring investigative reporter), to see her IN PERSON and get her side. Good, let's get the 911 records. I was not able to get those. But WHO called 911 is NOT one of the key issues here: I have little doubt that you honestly THOUGHT it was a setup. It was a bizzare night by any account, and so I'm sure you could have called the police first. Doesn't matter one way or the other. Clearly you thought she was setting you up, and she thought you were a psycho. What about the fact that she has a verifiable medical condition on the bleeding? (You have insisted you saw a "bag" with the blood and it did NOT comefrom her body.) What about the fact that she does not know even one Scientologist, nor has she ever taken any service what-so-ever? What about the fact that you said she specifically mentioned the names of Small, and Dennis Erlich and she in fact never heard of either, whatsoever? What do you say? Isn't it possible that you got so whipped up by all this a.r.s bashing that you thought she was setting you up when she was not? It's your ballgame and your choice in how you proceed; best of luck. AB =============================================================================== Date: 01-28-95 Time: 03:20a Number: 26450 From: JERRY LADD Refer: 0 To: NEWS Board ID: SUPPORT Recvd: No Subject: SET-UP OF SYSOP - DATA 154: scientology Status: Public ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- an144108@anon.penet.fi (-AB-)Thu, 26 Jan 1995 06:25:20 UTC Wrote Concerning (-AB-)'s astonishing finding of Miss Blood: >I called in a very big favor owed me and got the name and phone >number. I then sent out a trusted friend (aspiring investigative >reporter), to see her IN PERSON and get her side. At this point in the timeline the only organization that had the name and number of Miss Blood, was the Los Angeles Police Department. Can we assume that your "favor owed" you, came from a Los Angeles Police official? Moreover, are you (-AB-) a former Los Angeles Police Officer? Did you know that obtaining police records in this way is a crime? Furthermore, if your favor owed, and paid you, did not come for a source inside the Los Angeles Police Department, then we must assume that you were a conspirator in the blood attack on the Sysop. Either way, it looks like you broke the law. Are you Gene Ingram's partner, and former Los Angeles Police Officer, Al Bei? Was this set-up the workings of Ingram Investigations? BTW: In today's St. Petersburg Times, it will be announced that a warrant for Gene Ingram's arrest has been issued. -Jerry ========================================================================== APf 02/28 2342 Finland-Internet Copyright, 1995. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. By MATTI HUUHTANEN Associated Press Writer HELSINKI, Finland (AP) -- Police have seized data from a computer operator who helps people mask their identities on the Internet, firing a new shot in the war over computer privacy. The action last month has drawn protests from Internet users, who said it was the first time police have forced one of the so-called "anonymity servers" to help an investigation. But police insisted Tuesday that they operated within the law when seizing a computer address on Feb. 8 from the service run in Helsinki by private computer consultant Johan Helsingius. "It's a wild network as far as we're concerned," said Police Inspector Harri Pulkkinen. "We were asked to look into an alleged crime, and that's what we did." At the request of California police and the Los Angeles-based Church of Scientology, Finnish police ordered Helsingius to hand over information that might help them identify an Internet user who allegedly had stolen files from the church's computer in Los Angeles in January. Police said they believed the stolen material was distributed through Helsingius' computer in Helsinki to thousands of users on the global computer network. An anonymity server acts as an electronic filter, stripping the return address from data and relaying it to a destination in seconds. Some 7,000 messages pass daily through Helsingius' service, which has been in operation for more than two years. It is one of several around the world run independently by people committed to privacy on the network. "(Any) clever user would be able to disguise his or her real identity," Helsingius said Tuesday. "What I'm worried about is that the police walked in and demanded the material without a court order." Finnish law allows police to confiscate material they believe has been stolen. Distribution of stolen material, including corporate secrets, is a punishable offense in Finland. "We applied the law in this case, and we were absolutely right in doing so," said Pulkkinen, the police officer. Helsingius said police at first wanted to take the whole computer, effectively shutting down the service. "But we reached a compromise and they took only a diskette with the relevant information," he said. Pulkkinen said police determined Helsingius was doing nothing illegal under Finnish law and ended their investigation. But before ending the probe, police relayed Helsingius' information back to California police via Interpol. They also turned over the information to the Helsinki representative of the Church of Scientology, Pulkkinen said. Asked why Finnish police gave the private information to another private party, Pulkkinen answered that the original complaint had come from the scientologists. The Church of Scientology previously has fought former church members over court documents and church texts published on the Internet, accessible by an estimated 30 million people worldwide. Scientology, founded 40 years ago by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve human problems. It features a hierarchy of knowledge that initiates gain as they progress through stages of teaching and counseling that can cost thousands of dollars. Church representatives denied any involvement in trying to close down Helsingius' conduit. "We have nothing against anonymous posters," said Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the scientologists in Los Angeles. "It's a great freedom and the right of everyone to communicate as long as anonymity is not used to cover up a crime." In a separate Internet-related action, the church filed suit last month against two Internet access provider companies with copyright infringement for allowing a man to place some scientology documents on the global network. -- OmniMedia | The Electronic Bookstore. Come in and browse! Two 9671 S. 1600 West St. | locations: ftp.netcom.com /pub/Om/OmniMedia/books South Jordan, UT 84095 | and ftp.awa.com /pub/softlock/pc/products/OmniMedia 801-253-4037 | E-book publishing service follows NWU recommendations. >From ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com! csus.edu!orion!davidson Sat Jun 17 20:43:57 1995 Path: ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com! csus.edu!orion!davidson From: davidson@sfsu.edu (Daniel Davidson) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.law-enforcement, comp.org.eff.talk,alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.net-abuse, alt.privacy.anon-server,misc.legal.computing,misc.legal, news.admin.misc Subject: Re: Speculations on -AB-, and the Raid on Anon.penet.fi (LONG) Followup-To: alt.religion.scientology,alt.law-enforcement, comp.org.eff.talk,alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.net-abuse, alt.privacy.anon-server,misc.legal.computing,misc.legal, news.admin.misc Date: 16 Jun 1995 18:56:35 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 75 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3rsk53$t7n@news.csus.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: davidson%@orion.sfsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: ipp-garching.mpg.de alt.religion.scientology:70756 alt.law-enforcement:20097 comp.org.eff.talk:41988 alt.conspiracy:75739 alt.current-events.net-abuse:20347 alt.privacy.anon-server:2865 misc.legal.computing:8468 misc.legal:62806 news.admin.misc:39116 June 16, 1995 A salient point in the story of -AB-, Tom & Miss Blood, the 23rd January Usenet post and .penet.fi, is the congruence of error in -AB-'s post and the official CoS PR issue on the Tom & Miss Bloody affair (: sorry Tom). After sorting through this congruence, there's only a limited number of conclusions that seem at all likely. I think it's clear that -AB- had access to a CoS strategy that included Tom as a target, a la Paulette Cooper, and that -AB- released this strategy whole-cloth to the world via penet.fi. He may or not have had to hack to get the information. The release of this material by -AB- on 23 Jan. may have been out of step with the fax to the LA Times of Miss Blood's affidative. Or conversly, -AB-'s release may have been designed by CoS strategy, serving as an ignition source for CoS's subsequent fax. If -AB- was working *against* CoS strategy in his release of the Miss Blood line, it may have been in the guise of forcing CoS's hand, committing CoS' adherance to a fately flawed position vis-a-vis Tom and Miss Blood. If this is the case, then -AB- has left a big sign saying "Clue", tacked to the overlap between the *facts* of the Tom & Miss Blood affair, and the *story* painted in -AB- and CoS' PR line. Frankly I don't think this is the case. I don't think -AB- hacked his way anywhere. My sense of this tawdry tale of tricks and treats (bleah!) goes this way: CoS saw penet.fi as a real trouble source regarding the free dissemination of Phatso's thumb-sucking. To handle this problem, they used their newly established good relations with Interpol to commit the break-in of the Finnish server, hoping to dissable or diminish the strength of the anonymous server community as a whole. The assault on Tom -- as Erlich's ISP -- by Miss Blood was coordinated with the penet.fi assault, as part of an overall plan to handle the anon.server problem, with Dennis Erlich as iceing on the cake. I guess things didn't quite work out with Dennis "Sticks Like Glue" Erlich. The 23 Jan. post by -AB- was the cover under which CoS approached Interpol, probably depicting Miss Blood as the threatened and frightened victim of a sex crime who was being put at risk by a fake "breakin". It could also be that Interpol owed CoS a favor, and this was the favor come due. A recent rumour has it that the entire Interpol involvement was a fraud. In my imagined account, -AB- would be an entirely loyal CoS entity, whose dissaperance was preordained in order to rule out any press coverage of a specific, disgruntled penet.fi user. I think it's important to remember that what -AB- *seemed* like -- however compelling -- is not a reliable indication of much anything. Considering what is actually known about -AB-, which isn't much, conclusions based on what s/he seemed like -- beyond the facts-- aren't worth much. However, a careful reading of the -AB- posts and email -- now available here thanks to Jon Noring -- will likely turn up a number of valuable pieces to the puzzle. -- == Daniel Davidson == davidson@sfsu.edu Don't hit. Clean your mess. "Handling truth is a touchy buisness." LRH, The Missing Ingredient. >From ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! zib-berlin.de!fub!unlisys!usenet Sun Jun 18 19:57:51 1995 Path: ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! zib-berlin.de!fub!unlisys!usenet From: tilman@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: TRUTH ABOUT INGRAM AND KLEMESRUD Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:45:50 GMT Organization: Xenu's Ranch Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3rv7ut$7hc@unlisys.unlisys.net> References: <9506142218.aa14652@dispatch.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: tilman@berlin.snafu.de NNTP-Posting-Host: gtilman.berlin.snafu.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 stark@prostar.com wrote: >The scienos could have at least denied that this woman was a scientologist, >but they have now cleverly had Chris Miller/Vera post information from the >police report, indicating that they are indeed connected to her. They did !! Unofficially thru -AB-: : What about the fact that she does not know even one Scientologist, : nor has she ever taken any service what-so-ever? What about the fact that : you said she specifically mentioned the names of Small, and Dennis Erlich : and she in fact never heard of either, whatsoever? --- Tilman Hausherr [Awards: KoX, DB, Koos "seal of approval] biz: tilman@sietec.de http://www.sietec.de/ (company page) home: tilman@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/ Praise Xenu, Mozilla and "Bob"! (and say "Hi" to Warren McShane !) Wrapped Reichstag: http://www.kulturbox.de/christo/reichs_e.htm >From ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! zib-berlin.de!unlisys!wildpark.com!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net! europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon! not-for-mail Sun Jun 18 20:13:11 1995 Path: ipp-garching.mpg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de! zib-berlin.de!unlisys!wildpark.com!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net! europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!not-for-mail From: Cheryl Morris Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Where is AB? Date: 17 Jun 1995 20:13:21 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 12 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Posting-Host: mars.ark.com The raid on the privacy of anon.penet.fi was to find out the name of the anonymous poster known as AB. AB was clearly worried about being found and has not been heard from since February. I want to know. Once you had the identity of AB what did you do? Did you send members of OSA for him/her? Did you send Ingram or his friend Al Bei for the person? (I don't think AB is a pseudonym for Al Bei, but if it is you set up anon.penet.fi.) Bottom Line: WHERE IS AB?? cm