Conspiracy to Murder and to Plant Evidence of Federal Crimes
"Q. So was anything else said at that meeting? "
A. Well, yes. We talked about killing Ford Greene.
"Q. So what was said with regard to that? "A. Eugene told me that there is "no loss in a
dead fag" and he basically said it would be a
much easier operation for me to perform since
I had failed in carrying out my planned effort
to murder Cynthia Kisser. He said that Ford would
be an easier target and that Ford was a major target that had to be
eliminated. And they said because
Ford had a history of cocaine abuse and alcohol
abuse and it was known that he enjoyed driving his
car at very high speeds, and I could recall 90
miles to a 100 miles per hour on the highway
back in 1987, that it would be easy to run this
man off the road and kill him. Eugene even commented
about the aspect of running him off the Golden
Gate Bridge, which would insure his death, and
that there wouldn't be a lot of investigation
behind that simply because Ford Greene had a
very impeachable reputation to begin with. But
they definitely saw Ford Greene as a threat
simply because of him getting together with
"Q. So what else was, if anything, was said at that
meeting and by whom? "A. Mr. Butterworth and Mr. Ingram
discussed with me other ways to get at Ford Greene.
If not to kill Ford Greene, Mr. Ingram told me that
he could gain access to incriminating materials like
child pornography, which to possess is a violation
of federal law, drugs and to break into Ford Greene's
law office and plant these items and then to call
the police and have Ford Greene arrested for
possession of child pornography.
"Q. Did Mr. Ingram indicate where he might obtain
these materials? "A. Yes, he did. Mr. Ingram has
told me in the past that he is an honorable --
strike that. He is an honored veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department
where he received an honorable discharge for something and that he had
a lot of contacts within the law enforcement
community in California and that he could easily
gain access to the evidence rooms facilitated by
the Los Angeles Police Department and could access
cocaine, guns, and anything there that he needed to
use in his investigations.
"Q. Was anything else said about the plan to murder
Ford Greene at that meeting? "A. Not that I can recall right now.
"Q. Now, you said that Tim Bowles, Ken Moxon and
Laurie Bartilson of the law firm of Bowles & Moxon
were present during that meeting. Did they say
anything during that meeting? "A. Laurie was totally silent during the entire
meeting. She said absolutely nothing. Tim Bowles
said that Ford Greene was a decisive threat
because of his relationship with Gerry Armstrong.
I questioned that because having known Ford Greene
in 1987, at which time I carried out an
operation against him, I told Tim that the
man was a drug addict, he was a drunk, he was
very insecure, mentally unstable and that he was not a threat, but they
seemed to feel that he was a decisive threat because of his
relationship with Gerald Armstrong and that --
we had to lose him.
"Q. Tim Bowles said that? "A. Yes. Tim Bowles himself.
"Q. Did Mr. Bowles voice any opposition to
the of killing of Ford Greene? "A. Absolutely not. Kendrick Moxon did not
voice any opposition to him. In fact, when
Eugene made the comment there is "
no loss in a dead fag," everyone laughed.
"Q. What did Gene Ingram say about what
might be done after Ford Greene had been killed?"A. He simply brought up what we had
discussed in November again with the possibility
if I saw no other way out, that I could kill myself.
"Q. And that was to commit suicide like you
told us about before? "A. That was to put a gun barrel in my mouth,
stick it up to my gums and blow my brains out.
"Q. Have you ever heard of a phrase of R245
in Scientology?A. No, sir.
From the same deposition:
Q. Is [the Church of Scientology] engaged solely in religious,
charitable and humanitarian and community-oriented
endeavors? And I am focusing on the word
A. I am sorry, I didn't see the word
"solely." That changes things. No, that is a
Q. What is the basis for your answer
that it is not solely engaged in those things?
Very briefly.A. I would answer that with a question.
Would you please tell me what is charitable,
humanitarian and community-oriented about ordering
the deaths of two individuals they perceive to be
enemies of the church?
Q. And to what are you referring in that
regard?A. They ordered me to murder Cynthia
Kisser and Ford Greene. Please tell me how that
can be construed as charitable, religious,
humanitarian or community-oriented. It doesn't
make a lot of sense to me. Does it to you?