From an105662@anon.penet.fi Sun Jun 4 13:31:18 BST 1995 [M593 - That Purif Again] Milne's comment regarding the Purification Program are noteworthy in the sense that Scientologists will continue to repeat and hold as true what has long been found false or discredited. To top it all off, they cannot show any evidences of independently verified tests to back it up. Indeed, for all the claimed worth and simplicity of the Purification program, if it worked as claimed there would have been an adoption of it a long time ago. Few true discoveries are passed by for more than a few years and in this case even a cursory glance at the so-called evidence and facts about how it works will tell you that it is worthless. Chris Schafmeister makes excellent comments about this. Milne: >Fascinating. Isn't it remarkable then that numerous people doing >the Purification program have experienced LSD trips even though they have >not taken the drug for years. What do you think they were tripping out >on? Hot air? Schaf> The same stuff that all cultists are constantly tripping Schaf> out on; the illusion that you hold the supreme TRUTH. Subjective information. Were blood tests taken to verify presence of LSD in the blood? Do you think, Milne, that people don't have a memory of these 'trips'? I have a memory of being drunk and of puking everywhere. I might feel 'drunk' from a little too much oxygen. Do you suppose that the during the Purif I might experience a feeling like I was drunk, and would you expect to find alcohol in my blood? Where is a table of drugs and chemicals established to have been identified as purged from the system during the Purif? The purif nominates 'bad' drugs and compounds as being eliminated. What data do you have as to what beneficial levels of drugs that are maintained in the body that could be eliminated in the Purif? Milne: >I'm not surprised that you think this, since the discovery that drug >residuals lodge in the fatty tissues of the body was made by Mr. Hubbard. >In fact, virtually every type of drug, chemical poison, preservative, >pesticide and industrial waste that we regularly ingest can lodge in the >fatty tissues and do us harm. Schaf> Absolute bullsh*t. Almost no drugs, chemical poisons, Schaf> preservatives, pesticides or industrial waste lodge in fatty Schaf> tissues. For a discovery so startling simple, it has evaded the entire worldwide medical fraternity for a century. For a fact, it is extremely difficult to get drugs into the fatty tissues, and only recently have certain drugs been modified as "fat friendly" to bridge the boundary where water soluble drugs fail to penetrate. What is claimed by Hubbard is purely his opinion and some bad guesses - like most of his 'tech'. Schaf> Compounds have varying affinity for fatty environments and for Schaf> watery environments. Anything that does build up in the fat Schaf> will leach back out in hours to weeks. Check out any book on Schaf> pharmacology or toxicology. Now, Chris makes the killer point in the Purifs Aromoury of Psuedo- Science: Schaf> It is also interesting that niacin, one of the main compounds Schaf> fed to "purification rundown" "patients" is an anti-lipidemic. Schaf> An anti-lipidemic is a compound that _prevents_ fatty substances Schaf> from entering the bloodstream from fat. So even if there were Schaf> toxic fatty substances in fat, the purification rundown would Schaf> _prevent_ them from being mobilized into the blood for excretion. Which bears out the fact AGAIN, that the Church of Scientology does not have any form of laboratory for "Tech Support," has no competent members capable of conducting research and certainly has no funds allocated to do so. For such a Scientifically and Religiously advanced cult, the fact they have no development program for ANYTHING would alert the average thinker to the 1960s fiction. Milne: >Forest Tennant, a specialist in detoxification procedures and the >director of the Research Center for dependency and Chronic Pain in >California, conducted an outcome study on the Purification Rundown and >concluded that Mr. Hubbard had "found that drug residues/metabolites >store in the fatty tissue of the body for long periods of time. I am >amazed at the accuracy of his findings. The graphs and initial report >show what we have expected for some time -- drugs definitely are coming >out during this program." Schaf> Please provide the reference from which you are quoting. HARHAR HAHAHAHAHA Guess, Chris. It won't be anywhere that competent minds had a chance to add up the funny findings. In the purif book, 1 page has a graph on it. It gives us a lovely little indication how well that the Purif removes DDT - but fails to show the same data for a control group. PLUS fails to cite other research in natural dissipation of chemicals etc. Milne: >When Mr. Hubbard published Dianetics in 1950, his discovery that the >unborn child can records what is going on around it was dismissed as >"bunk." So too was the fact that there is a part of the mind that records >everything occurring during a moement of partial or full unconsciousness. >Now these concepts are generally accepted. Schaf> These concepts are not generally accepted. They are bunk. Just so. The structure of memory, especially visual, is a pattern of objects and placements with little detail. Few people are blessed with photographic memory, and fewer still can support it with fine detail reconstructions. Most of what our memory deals with is an event series - usually remembering the substance of discussions without word-for-word detail unless special effort is made. Guess why they have people there to record court transcripts! Schaf> What possible evidence could you have Schaf> that the above is "generally accepted"? Schaf> You are just making this up. No he isn't - it was made up for him!! 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